I checked the Kos diary I mentioned in my last post…and yep, they were totally wrong. And I was totally right about them when I predicted…
The Kos Kids WON’T CARE. The fact that they reprinted a lie – won’t matter
I know! I know it doesn’t make a bit of difference. To you. And hundreds of other people on Kos.
Which means you learned NOTHING. And yet these are the same people who attack Andrew Breitbart for stuff he never even said or did.
Said it before, I’ll say it again – this is the kind of thing that drove me screaming from liberalism.
I am the blogger who wrote that post. If you are being honest with yourself and your audience, you will be upfront about the fact that I said from the beginning that the charges may be true, or they may be false, and that either way it didn’t matter. I updated with information I was getting from the comments, and retracted anything I found to be inaccurate. What you did was wrong. Put your partisanship down for just one minute and think about it-what would your reaction be if someone on Daily Kos did this to a Marine critically injured in a Tea Party rally? What was done to him was despicable.
Here is the rest of my post, that you conveniently cut off:
Scott Olsen was 17 when he enlisted and went to boot camp right after his 18th birthday. In the pictures of him, you can see how very young he was. He served in the battle of Fallujah and probobly saw things no human being should ever witness. Do you remember what you were doing when you were 17 going on 18? I think I was looking at colleges and picking out prom dresses. Scott Olsen was preparing to go to war.
This young man is not a bum or a druggie. He works as a Network Engineer for a security firm- it’s a good job that requires high security clearance. His co-workers describe him as a humble, soft spoken guy who worked hard over long hours. At night, he would leave his job to go sleep in the park, because he was so concerned about the economic inequality he saw plaguing the country he fought for. On the night of October 25th, he was not committing any crime-photos and video clearly show him standing, staring straight ahead, in front of the police line-stoic and calm in the face of chaos. He was one of the many brave souls who stood without any protective equipment whatsoever, directly in the line of fire. He is the epitome of what Chris Hedges invoked when he spoke of “the best among us”
So go ahead Breitbart & Co, give yourselves a nice big backslap for digging into the personal life of a 24 year old combat veteran as he lies in a hospital bed with a fractured skull and a swollen brain. You really hit the paydirt there didn’t you? What a scoop- a former Marine has at one point claimed he hated the Marine Corps. I bet you really love the Marine Corps, don’t you? That’s easy enough when all it requires is slapping a yellow ribbon sticker to the back of your car. A bit harder when you are sent on back to back deployments in the desert watching your friends get blown into peices. If you took a moment to get to know some of the soldiers you claim to support, you would probobly realize that a lot of them have a love hate relationship with the institutions they serve. Ask one of them what “FTA” means. Talk to a vet some time about their experience-get beyond the “Thank you for your service” platitudes and go to the heart of what it was really like for them to be in the killing fields. Ask them about their nightmares, and the hidden scars we cannot see. Do that before you DARE criticize something you don’t even understand.
Scott Olsen never asked to be made into a hero. He didn’t go to Oakland that night looking for fame or adulation-he went because unlike you, he cares about his country and the people in it. And for that, he gets rewarded with a tear gas canister projected into his skull and flash bang grenades exploding by his head as he lay face down on the pavement. And then he was further rewarded when a slimy amoeba slithered out of his fetid swamp and decided “hey this kid with the skull fracture needs to get taken down a few pegs, what can we dig up on him?”
But before you get too wrapped up in your little celebration, know this one thing- WE DO NOT CARE. There is not one person on here who thinks any less of Scott now than we did 12 hours ago. Because we do not judge people based on the same binary criteria that you use to define who is a worthy human being and who isn’t. We, the 99%, stand with Scott Olsen today just as strongly as we did the day before. And we could not be any more proud of him.
Lee is as justified in criticizing the Olsen cretin as you are in defending him. What is your justification for your rabid, nonsensical defense of Scottie, when you are metaphorically “slapping a yellow ribbon sticker to the back of your car”? I actually HAVE been to war for this nation, and I think Olsen and the rest of his ilk deserve the scorn of law-abiding citizens. These scumbags had every opportunity to act like adults and were warned numerous times to disperse. Scottie did not, and discovered that irresponsible actions have consequences. Welcome to life and the real world. Combat veteran or not, he, you, and the entirety of your scumbag “We are the 99%!!1!” movement represent-at best-2-3% of the American populace. Quit the drama douchebag theatrics and get over yourselves.
Rebecca,
1) we care as much about his service as you do. The fact is, his service is irrelevant. The cops didn’t say, “hey, look! An ex-marine! Lets launch a tear-gas can into his skull!” “great idea, and when that ex-marine is on the ground, I’ll flashbang him!” so don’t be retarded.
2) if you bring up someone’s military service to prove how noble they are, then is it not valid to point to his opinion of said service? Again, don’t be retarded.
3) he broke the law, and stood in the middle of a crowd after being told to disperse. The police did their jobs. The problem you SHOULD be talking about is whether or not it is an unjust law that was broken. Marijuana being illegal is an unjust law, but its not the cops fault if you get caught with a dub.
And 4) how much of a self-absorbed, egotistical megalomaniac do you have to be to think you actually represent the viewpoints of 99% of any population? You don’t even have 99% of leftists, let alone all of us.
You represent no one but yourself, and you do a piss poor job of doing that.
Wow, Occupy Wall Street is starting to sound a lot more like the Catholic Church. Notice any similarities in how they handle sexual assaults?
“Wall Street protesters in Zuccotti Park battened down the hatches yesterday as the early October snow turned their tents into igloos, but the close quarters also made easy pickings for one predator.
A sex fiend barged into a woman’s tent and sexually assaulted her at around 6 a.m., said protesters, who chased him from the park.
“Pervert! Pervert! Get the f-k out!” said vigilante Occupiers, who never bothered to call the cops.
“They were shining flashlights in his face and yelling at him to leave,” said a woman who called herself Leslie, but refused to give her real name.
She said that weeks earlier another woman was raped.
“We don’t tell anyone,” she said. “We handle it internally. I said too much already.”
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/zuccotti_perv_Qd8v3hCAnspzJ7VGC9nJZP#ixzz1cHRfH362
Wood,
The cops are the enemies, man. They’re, like, enforcing the capitalistic fascism, that’s like paid for by big corporations! If it wasn’t for cops, there’d be no rapes, man! Like, don’t you know? And junk?
mark - “retarded” is a great word to use in political debate, not to mention ironic from someone who is clearly unable (unwilling?) to understand the simple 99%-1% metaphor. it is an economic metaphor, not a political metaphor. this does not fit into your beloved red team/blue team construct. tea partiers — if we are to take their “independent, nonpartisan” rhetoric at fave value — ought to be able to understand and even appreciate that.
so to turn one of your phrases into something a bit more sensitive, don’t be fucking stupid.
So, Rebecca, let me just sum up: “I was wrong, I’m way, way left…and WE DO NOT CARE.”
I mean, because if you got that wrong and admitted it (and your Dailykos article has a LOT lined out…perhaps we should focus on what you got right? Let’s see…you got his name right), you might actually have to evaluate other stances, opinions, etc. that you hold on to dearly that might indeed be factually, morally, or rationally incorrect as well. I know, it’s a pill that most of the Left is unwilling to swallow because then you can’t be idealistic and delusion anymore. It’s why the Right can’t possibly top you for narcissism - even when you’re wrong, you’re right.
I also appreciate the ease with which you speak for an individual (Olsen) you have never met, interviewed, or spoken with (that whole broken skull/swelling brain thing you keep bringing up has limited his communication with his own family, per news reports about his recovery, as in he can’t speak, but can interact with them, and I’m assuming you haven’t weaseled into the hospital room yet), and yet you’ve given us all his motivations succinctly and clearly, with heartfelt conviction and righteousness, and without one iota of proof of anything you are saying.
“Scott Olsen never asked to be made into a hero”…so we’re just going to pretend he did and lionize the shit out of him.
But that’s okay. It’s why I don’t usually get my news or expect journalistic integrity…from a nurse.
Zombie,
If you were talking about economics, then you would realize that even being homeless in America makes you part of the 1% to the rest of the world, right?
By the way, the 1% have 0% of the nation’s wealth, but 100% of their own.
In other words, even if you truly were mentally handicapped, I would have no problem calling you retarded to your stupid retard face. Because even to a mentally challenged person, you’re fucking retarded.
Even if economically, you fall into some made up category of 99%, this group claiming to be 99% is claiming to speak for the rest of the 99%, so fuck off, I’m right. They don’t represent shit.
Get it? By saying, “we’re the 99%, and we demand a $20/hr minimum wage,” what you’re trying to say is that 99% of the population is okay with collective suicide.
We’re not. You want that bullshit, move to Greece.
>”If you were talking about economics, then you would realize that even being homeless in America makes you part of the 1% to the rest of the world, right?”
Um, wrong. Poverty is poverty. Living on our streets is not somehow better than living on the streets of another country. Homeless is homeless, starving is starving. Our poverty is not somehow superior to poverty in the rest of the world. Nationalist much?
>By the way, the 1% have 0% of the nation’s wealth, but 100% of their own.
Brilliant. Is that from a fortune cookie?
Ask yourself how they are doing creating jobs with their low tax rates (which has been the justification for cutting their taxes again and again over the last 30 years). Ask yourself whether it is a good idea to allow such a small sliver of the population to have basically unlimited financial influence over our elections at all levels of government. Or, don’t ask yourself, and keep sponging up the noise you see and read on the media outlets that they own. Then pick a side (there are only two), and start getting mad at the other side for everything that is wrong, even if they’re made up. Doesn’t matter if you pick the red team or the blue team, as long as you care more about winning that you do about being right.
>In other words, even if you truly were mentally handicapped, I would have no problem calling you retarded to your stupid retard face. Because even to a mentally challenged person, you’re fucking retarded.
That’s because you apparently are incapable of having a serious discussion with someone who doesn’t agree with you, or just not interested. And by serious discussion, I mean one where you can restrain yourself from words like “retard” and patronizing phrases like “Get it?” You just want to point fingers, fling shit at people and berate them until they either agree with you or go away, and you “win”. And hey, it’s a free country.
>Even if economically, you fall into some made up category of 99%, this group claiming to be 99% is claiming to speak for the rest of the 99%, so fuck off, I’m right. They don’t represent shit.
Your offer to fuck off is tempting, but I don’t think I will. Thanks, though.
FYI, all categories are made-up. That’s the point — to put things that are in reality infinitely varied and unique (like people, for instance) into categories based on their similarities and differences. All of them are made up, just like our system of government and our financial system. Contrary to what you might think, they were not brought to us on stone tablets by Ronald Reagan.
You’re trying to make the point that it’s an arbitrary decision where to “draw the line”, which is kind of like spending your energy deciding what to name a new bacteria rather than focusing on fighting the infection. The point is to highlight our historic (and rising) levels of inequality in this country, and that politicians do a lot on behalf of a very small-but-wealthy minority, and not a lot on behalf of the vast majority of people. Whether you draw the line at 99 percent or 80 percent is a waste of breath.
>Get it? By saying, “we’re the 99%, and we demand a $20/hr minimum wage,” what you’re trying to say is that 99% of the population is okay with collective suicide.
Get real, nobody serious is saying that. And even if they were, it wouldn’t be any more outrageous as the trillions (and counting) of taxpayer $$ that were given to big banks on Wall Street, or that investors were were bilked out of by investment banks who committed fraud, which is the reason that the protestors are on Wall Street. This wasn’t “fraud” defined by some new set of regulations or a 2,500-page bill — it was normal, good old-fashioned Fraud as already defined by federal statute. As long these crooks are able to line the pockets of our politicians, they will never be prosecuted, and the other 99 percent will continue to get fucked on both ends of the deal.
>We’re not. You want that bullshit, move to Greece.
Wow. Move to Greece? What’s next — are you going to say something about my mom?
The thought that being homeless in America is equivalent to homeless in Uganda shows how downright ignorant you are.
The rest of your bullshit would matter if your “99%” wasn’t financed by billionaires like Soros.
And apparently you haven’t read the official demand sheet for occupy wall street. You define the problem of lumping yourself in with these nutjobs.
Nazis, communists, David Duke and Achmedijihad are not in my group. They’re in your “99%.”
And why the hell aren’t you occupying the white house and congress? News flash, moron, wall street can’t pass legislation. Wall street didn’t rig the system. The people in power did.
Why the hell aren’t you occupying the colleges that are charging so much that you have to take out student loans that you carry until bankruptcy? No, its the banks fault you have to pay back what you borrowed. It makes sense if you’re, ya know, retarded.
At least I hope you are. Because I would feel bad for you if you’re just that goddam stupid.
Fraud is illegal, last time I checked. That is why they are Occupying Wall Street, the scene of those crimes. Not to mention that nobody notices when you protest in DC, as it is a daily occurrence.
I say “they” because I am not an Occupier — I merely sympathize with a lot of their message, the same way I sympathize with a lot of the Tea Party message, but am constantly turned off by ignorant loudmouths who behave the way you do. You say “you” because you are angry and apparently need somebody to blame your misery on. To you we are adversaries, and this is personal. You seem to have some *need* to group me in with the Occupiers who you hate so much. To me, we are both Americans, you just happen to be a reactionary who can’t think for himself. Again, it’s a free country.
Occupy the White House, too. That would be great (FYI, there is already an OccupyDC protest). Going after the bankers who committed the fraud as well as pressuring and not re-electing the politicians is music to my ears. The two are not mutually exclusive, but to understand that you have to have room for 2+ thoughts in your head at the same time. I may be a moron, according to you, but I know one thing — if every burst of political energy in this country is successfully placed into the same old Red Team/Blue Team construct by the corporate media, then all of us are fucked. The worst corporations and sleaziest politicians (in both corporatist parties) will fuck is in the ass forever until we die. It’s already happening. This is not the time to hate on people who are pissed off enough to take to the streets in peaceful protest. This is the time to figure out where liberals and conservatives can come together to both change the government and to prosecute the crooks who robbed us so that the next ones will think twice, knowing that the American people are not asleep. Then we could go back to having the same old arguments about abortion and school prayer that used to seem so important, before our whole country started trying to eat itself.
Student loans were no fun, but I am no longer in that demographic, and it is a far cry from the fraud and cronyism that we have seen bankrupt the country in the financial sector and the halls of Government. Obama is just trying to make it look like he wants to/can do something, but education won’t matter much if corporate fascism stays with us. It is a distraction and something to rally the demographics that he will need to be re-elected.
At what point did I claim to be part of the tea party? Who’s dividing people into team A and team B?
You were defending the moronic idea that this group of violent, racist, thieving perverts can accurately claim to be 99%. If you don’t consider yourself 1%, and you say its an accurate term, then duh, retard, you’re saying you’re part of the 99%.
And what exactly are you sympathetic to? The problems they’re bitching about? Well ladeefuckinda. We all know what the problems are. We can both agree that I am hungry right now. What we disagree on is which one of us is going to be lunch.
And peaceful protests? You’ve got some elastic language there. During the “angry racist anti-government” tea party rallies, there were no mass arrests, no cops (or young women) were assaulted.
We all agree on what the problems are. If your solutions include robbery, murder, rounding up the Jews, cannibalism, printing money, and of course, raping girls in the middle of a crowded campsite, congratulations, you’re a part of the 99%.
But you go right ahead and sympathize with the nazis and David Duke.
You talk about prosecuting the guilty. I like that idea. Rule of law is a good thing. Are the 99% in favor of prosecuting the guilty, or are they in favor of just taking it from those evil joooooooooos?
Do you get it? You aren’t part of the 99% with that kind of talk.
“You talk about prosecuting the guilty. I like that idea. Rule of law is a good thing. Are the 99% in favor of prosecuting the guilty, or are they in favor of just taking it from those evil joooooooooos?”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Seek help. Soon.
See? You even laugh like a retard.
Thanks for trying to get through to Mark zombie. Each response from him was a slight variation on calling you retarded for no good reason. You seem to fully understand everything you patiently spelled out for Mark. I’m sure you aren’t the retarded one. Mark is just grasping at straws to find some wedge issue to slander OWS with, but has been unable to find one. Nazis? Akmadinajad? David Duke? These are all laughable, predictable, and of course baseless attempts at smearing OWS. Anyone can make a list of “evil doers” and accuse their enemies of loving them, too bad Osama binLaden is dead, Mark would be thrilled to add him to our 99%(even though that makes no sense, but then again neither does Mark).
David Duke?
Nazi’s?
http://anp14.com/news/archives.php?report_date=2011-10-16
Tehran?
http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/10/22/occupy-tehran?videoId=223812474
Oh, I forgot. To retards, “baseless” means “absolutely true.”
And I never call someone retarded for no good reason. Zombie gave me plenty of reasons to call him retarded. from his 99% definition to saying that poverty in America is just as bad as poverty elsewhere.
You prove yourself retarded by adding nothing to his retarded comments except speculation. When I say the american nazi party is endorsing OWS, you might want to google “american nazi party occupy wall street” before retardedly accusing me of baseless smears. I didn’t say “Hitler would have supported this!” If I had, then I would accept your speculation of how I believe Osama would have felt about OWS. So, I guess that leaves only YOU making baseless smears, huh retard?
oh, and then there’s this:
http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2011/10/31/the-99-official-list-of-ows/
not just claims, but SOURCED claims! You’re homework’s been done for you. You just have to be not retarded enough to comprehend it.
*the previous posts were all part of one long post, but contained too many links to be published. Sorry, Lee.*
“o, Rebecca, let me just sum up: “I was wrong, I’m way, way left…and WE DO NOT CARE.””
First of all, it may shock you to learn that I’m actually not that far left. And yes, the information I posted was incorrect, which is why I immediately corrected it. I know, wierd isn’t it?
“I mean, because if you got that wrong and admitted it (and your Dailykos article has a LOT lined out…perhaps we should focus on what you got right? Let’s see…you got his name right), you might actually have to evaluate other stances, opinions, etc. that you hold on to dearly that might indeed be factually, morally, or rationally incorrect as well. I know, it’s a pill that most of the Left is unwilling to swallow because then you can’t be idealistic and delusion anymore. It’s why the Right can’t possibly top you for narcissism – even when you’re wrong, you’re right.”
I lined out the text of the part where I was wrong in the spirit of full transparancy. I do not delete anything from my diaries-ever. The main point of my diary still stands, and would have no matter what came out- Breitbart and co., once again, went after a defenseless person and tried to smear him for no other reason than to taunt liberals. The potential ramifications this could have on Scott Olsens life apparently never even entered their mind (or if they did, they apparently didn’t let it stop them)
“I also appreciate the ease with which you speak for an individual (Olsen) you have never met, interviewed, or spoken with (that whole broken skull/swelling brain thing you keep bringing up has limited his communication with his own family, per news reports about his recovery, as in he can’t speak, but can interact with them, and I’m assuming you haven’t weaseled into the hospital room yet), and yet you’ve given us all his motivations succinctly and clearly, with heartfelt conviction and righteousness, and without one iota of proof of anything you are saying.
“Scott Olsen never asked to be made into a hero”…so we’re just going to pretend he did and lionize the shit out of him.”
I have never met Scott Olsen but seeing as he almost certainly did not plan on getting a tear gas canister shot into his head when he went out that night, or when he was standing doing nothing with his back turned to the cop who did it, I think it’s safe to assume that he didn’t ask for all this attention. And yes, the adulation/lionization of him by some has made me feel uncomfortable, and I’ve spoken out about that. The bottom line is, he’s a human being and right now he is defenseless, and it was wrong to dig up things from his past to try and smear him when he has no ability to defend himself. End of story.
“But that’s okay. It’s why I don’t usually get my news or expect journalistic integrity…from a nurse.”
LOL! Who the FUCK said I was a journalist? That’s what cracks me up about this whole thing. Really, why did this merit not one but TWO stories on this site? I am not a professional blogger for Daily Kos, I am someone who comments there and occasionally writes diaries. But for the record, most nurses I know have more integrity in their little finger than Brietbart or any of these clowns could ever dream of.
“Rebecca,
1) we care as much about his service as you do. The fact is, his service is irrelevant. The cops didn’t say, “hey, look! An ex-marine! Lets launch a tear-gas can into his skull!” “great idea, and when that ex-marine is on the ground, I’ll flashbang him!” so don’t be retarded.”
First of all, watch the video. What was done appears deliberate, and apparently the DA agrees with me and all of us Krazy Kossaks enough to launch a Level I investigation into the incident. Second of all, I responded to an attack made on his military service by YOUR SIDE. Yes, his service is irrelevent. BTW-using “retarted” as a pejorative? In what universe is that still acceptable? Even middle schoolers know better.
2) if you bring up someone’s military service to prove how noble they are, then is it not valid to point to his opinion of said service? Again, don’t be retarded.
Again, I brought up his military record to combat the allegations by Big Government and others that his service was less than honorable.
“3) he broke the law, and stood in the middle of a crowd after being told to disperse. The police did their jobs. The problem you SHOULD be talking about is whether or not it is an unjust law that was broken. Marijuana being illegal is an unjust law, but its not the cops fault if you get caught with a dub.”
Yes, he did in fact break the law. That’s part of civil disobedience. What is at issue is the disproportionate use of force used in response.
“And 4) how much of a self-absorbed, egotistical megalomaniac do you have to be to think you actually represent the viewpoints of 99% of any population? You don’t even have 99% of leftists, let alone all of us.”
OK, so 99% is a stretch maybe but I think at least 89% would agree that going after a guy in a fucking hospital bed is deplorable behavior, but maybe I have an overly optimistic view of the world. Or maybe the fact that all of my friends who are die hard conservatives and like Breitbart also thought it was wrong is just evidence of my good taste in friends and not of the inherant humanity of most people regardless of political affiliation. That certainly is a possibility.
“You represent no one but yourself, and you do a piss poor job of doing that”
Opinion noted.
Looks like Oakland PD didn’t injure Olsen after all. Curious was SwedefishJewfish will have to say. Will she update her diary?
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/bay-area/2011/10/vet-s-injuries-occupy-oakland-raid-not-caused-deputies-sf-sheriff-says#ixzz1cbhcjkr3
“Looks like Oakland PD didn’t injure Olsen after all. Curious was SwedefishJewfish will have to say. Will she update her diary?
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/bay-area/2011/10/vet-s-injuries-occupy-oakland-raid-not-caused-deputies-sf-sheriff-says#ixzz1cbhcjkr3”
Your interpretation is incorrect. If you read the article it states that 3 SPECIFIC DEPUTIES that were named by “on websites by activists” (which I do not agree with, for the record, due process and all that) were “likely not involved” in the incident. Meaning those specific individuals. The injuries were clearly caused by a teargas canister shot as a projectile directly into Scott Olsens head as he is standing about 10 feet away with his back turned- the nature of the injury itself and photo and video documentation prove this. That is a violation of OPD’s own policy which states “Members shall not discharge a Direct Fired SIM at a person’s head, neck, throat, face, left armpit, spine, kidneys, or groin unless deadly force would be justified”. The only thing that is really up for debate is whether or not it was intentional. I’ll wait for the investigation to be completed before I render any judgement on that- I certainly hope it wasn’t.
And not for nothing, but that really had nothing to do with my diary.
Lee is as justified in criticizing the Olsen cretin as you are in defending him. What is your justification for your rabid, nonsensical defense of Scottie, when you are metaphorically “slapping a yellow ribbon sticker to the back of your car”? I actually HAVE been to war for this nation, and I think Olsen and the rest of his ilk deserve the scorn of law-abiding citizens. These scumbags had every opportunity to act like adults and were warned numerous times to disperse. Scottie did not, and discovered that irresponsible actions have consequences. Welcome to life and the real world. Combat veteran or not, he, you, and the entirety of your scumbag “We are the 99%!!1!” movement represent–at best–2-3% of the American populace. Quit the drama douchebag theatrics and get over yourselves.”
I wasn’t even going to respond to this because it is so nonsensical but I would just like to say this- 1- Thank you for your service. 2- If anyone came out and tried to publicly slander your service or disparage the sacrifices you made for this great country, I would come to your defense too, no matter how big of an asshole you may be or what your political beliefs are. And just for the record, I am not affiliated with OWS or any “douchebag theatrics”. My outrage over this was personal- my fiance was KIA 2 years ago and members of my family are currently serving. So no, I’ve never been there but I know enough from the people I love who have to understand that it’s a very different world, and regardless of what Scott did that night to earn your scorn, his actions in the USMC and his criticism of the institution are nobodies fucking business.
Retarded may be a pejorative, but at least its accurate. No one on the right wing said “lets shit on this civilian got domed by a tear gas canister.” no, the left started this whole “they did this to a VET!!”
If YOU bring up his service as some sort of character witness, then we get to look at how credible a witness it is. This is really not that difficult to understand.
“I am not affiliated with OWS.”
“we, the 99%, stand with Scott Olsen.”
Which lie are you going with? That you aren’t a part of OWS or that OWS represents 99% of anyone? And 89% would probably also agree that when you’re breaking the law, and you’re asked nicely and repeatedly for a couple of days to stop breaking the law, and you refuse to do so, its not the cops fault if YOU get injured by your own stupidity. I know the cops are just doing their jobs, but they shouldn’t enforce the law! That is so unfair! We’re 99%! They should be on our side!
“If anyone came out and tried to publicly slander your service or disparage the sacrifices you made for this great country, I would come to your defense too, no matter how big of an asshole you may be or what your political beliefs are.”
For the record, police officers also serve this great country, yet you have no problem disparaging them, laying intent on them, and claiming they INTENTIONALLY hurt a VET!! So, bullshit on that claim.
Breitbart didn’t look at the names of protesters who got injured when they broke the law just so he could point to someone’s hatred of the military. Its a left wing protest. Don’t have to do much digging to find anti-military folks at a left wing protest. No, YOUR side trotted out his service as an example of how cops are treating our war heroes.
All breitbart did was put that service in perspective. All you did was use this poor kids service as a cyber molotov you can hurl towards the Oakland PD.
And no, an investigation doesn’t mean the DA agrees with the krazy kossacks. They investigate anytime a citizen is injured by a cop. So again, as kindly as I can possibly say… Don’t be retarded.
Mark, I apologize. I was under the faulty assumption that it was possible to engage in honest, somewhat civil discourse with you. Again, I blame it on my naivite. I have friends of every ideological stripe and I get into vigorous debates with them all the time- we manage to do so without calling each other “retarted” or “liars”. I’m not going to bother coming back here because I think I made my point- you and Lee, and others here are choosing to twist my words to fit your narrative. You are picking and choosing some of my words while ignoring others- like where I said “The only thing that is really up for debate is whether or not it was intentional. I’ll wait for the investigation to be completed before I render any judgement on that- I certainly hope it wasn’t” which kind of flies in the face of your assertion that “you have no problem disparaging them, laying intent on them, and claiming they INTENTIONALLY hurt a VET!!” My beef is not even with OPD and never was, my personal opinions about the use of force nonwithstanding. My beef is with Breitbart for the reasons I have already explained.
And no, I am not involved with the OWS protests. I sympathise with the message, and I hope it all comes together, but no it’s not my thing for a variety of reasons, mostly having to do with tactics. I DO consider myself part of the 99% of people who have gotten screwed over by our financial system though, and I stand in solidarity with them.
Rebecca,
If you can’t be honest, at least be consistent.
“First of all, watch the video. What was done appears deliberate, and apparently the DA agrees with me and all of us Krazy Kossaks enough to launch a Level I investigation into the incident.”
“. I’ll wait for the investigation to be completed before I render any judgement on that-”
As for not being a part of them, sympathizing with them, standing in solidarity with them, you need a lesson in what words mean. When you say “we,” then say “not me-we, them-we,” then you look like the lying liar you are.
And your little whines about insensitive language only perpetuate the notion that you’re nothing but an opportunistic hypocrite. Or as I like to say, retarded.
OWS embraced Olsen because, while he didn’t fit the OWS profile, he agreed with them. It lends you credibility when a member of the “other” group joins your group. OWS could point to Olsen and say “see, see, even someone as “establishment” as a member of the armed forces agrees with us. Having a member converted from the other side is much more powerful than raising a member as your own. Its why I read this very blog.
Under those conditions, its entirely appropriate to question that person’s history. To find out that Olsen is an anti-war advocate certainly undermines any credibility he brings as a member of that “other” group.
Let’s face it, if we found out Lee was a member of the young republicans and voted for Barry Goldwater and was an intern for Rush Limbaugh and has had a subscription to National Review since he was 9, it would take some wind out of our sails. As someone who was an active participant in liberal politics who finally said “whoa, there’s some out-of-whack shit here”, he has a ton of credibility when writing about how liberals manipulate the media.
The problem with Olsen is that his credentials as a member of the establishment - the very thing OWS was hoping would grant it some credibility - didn’t stand up.